Thursday, October 24, 2013

"Message to President Franklin Pierce," p. 823

Kindly post your responses here. Word target: 125-150. Seek to avoid the no-no's.

17 comments:

  1. #4 At the beginning of this message, Chief Seattle says, “ We know that the white man does not understand our ways” (para. 1, line 1). This leads me to believe that the white men have not tried to understand the Native Americans’ ways. Then towards the end the chief says, “ We might understand if we knew what it is that the white man dreams” (para. 5, 7-8). I think Chief Seattle is trying to say that the white men and the Native Americans need to talk. The effect of this reversal gives the impression that the chief wants to be friends with the white men, but the white men have not attempted to talk with them. They can not comprehend what the white men want and the white men do not understand the Native Americans’ way of life because neither have tried to talk to one another.

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  2. #5
    In the letter Chief Seattle addresses to President Pierce he gives a prophecy of the future. He describes our lives as we should not worry about the trivial matters for "It matters little where we pass the rest of our days; they are not many." (line 18). He shows this message to the President because he wants to get his point across that the world is changing rapidly and if we let the white men control everything the world will decline. Chief Seattle wants to show the President that the white men do not like the Indians and call them "savages." Chief Seattle explains at the beginning of the letter that "the white man do not understand our ways." explaining that the white men do not understand them and why they do things differently.

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  4. #1
    The contrasting and juxtaposition of the first paragraph catches the audience's attention. Chief Seattle said, “The earth is not his brother, but his enemy…” (lines 3-4). When one thinks of the word “brother” he thinks of something that is close to the heart or loved . One does not love his enemy though. Chief seattle was trying to say that white men hate the earth whereas the indians love it. Since they love it and are grateful for it then they deserve it. By using words like “brother” and “enemy” to describe the relationships with the earth, Chief Seattle shows the audience how much the Indian culture cherishes the earth and the land they live on. The juxtaposition of these words not only catches the audience's eye but also makes the audience feel sympathy for the Indians.

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  5. #3
    Chief Seattle establishes several differences between the "red man" and the "white man." He says that the white man does not understand the ways of the red man, and the white man does not care about the land because it is all the same to him. The white man does not hear nature sounds and, the red man prefers the nature. The red man does not like the cities but the red man is a savage and might not understand. The key differences being the city and nature, and the way the other lives. Chief Seattle's admonition or warning of the "white man" speaks to our situation now. He compares the white man to the recent government shutdown, in my opinion, because the Native Americans and the white men needed to talk. That is exactly what the government needs to do to solve the economic problems.

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  6. #3

    Chief Seattle states many differences between the "red man" and the "white man." While the “red man” loves nature and appreciates the land that he has while the “white man” does not hear the sound of nature and does not appreciate the land since he views it all the same way. The “red man” does not like the cities but then states that he is a savage and may not understand in the ways like the “white man” does. This could also be reversed. The “white man” may not understand what the “red man” sees in the land and nature. Chief Seattle also states, “we might understand if we knew what it was that the white man dreams.” I think this means that if the “red man” and the “white man” met and talked about what each other sees, then they would better understand each others point of view.

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  7. #1
    In his first paragraph he contrasts the Native Americans oneness with the earth to the white settlers need to conquer the earth. He made his argument strong in the beginning so that people would begin to understand his culture better. Seattle states that the Native Americans are “brothers” with the earth and the white settlers are “enemies” with the earth, and this gives his race more credibility. He makes the white settlers seem kind of heartless stating “he leaves his fathers’ graves, and his children's birthright is forgotten” (line 4-5). He also refers to the white settlers as a “stranger who comes in the night and takes from the land” (lines 2-3); this gives them the appearance of someone who steals, which brings in to mind how they theoretically stole the land of America from the Native Americans. He states in the closing of the first paragraph that Native Americans were “savages” and this gives the impression that the white settlers treat them poorly, and it appeals to pathos.

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  8. #2
    Chief Seattle’s use of the word Savage three times serve his rhetorical purpose because it shows how even though they are “savages” and do not understand the white man’s ways, they are proven to be smart through the knowledge that is displayed in Chief Seattle’s writing. He tries to appeal to the audience to show them that even though the red man may seem to be uneducated, they are smart because they understand a lot more in life and respect it more than the white man. He uses the word “savage” to prove that his tribe is not really savages. Since the white man tend to mock the red man way of life, he uses that against them to show them that even though they might be savages, they are smart savages. His use of his word “savages” three times serve his rhetorical purpose because it shows the irony of the white man’s ignorance to the Native American intelligence that Chief Seattle was trying to portray.

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  9. 4) In Chief Seattle's message to President Franklin Pierce, he opens with saying, "We know that the white men do not understand our ways." The meaning of this declaration is reversed when he later says, "We might understand if we knew what it was that the white man dreams" (para. 5). The effect of this reversal puts a somber tone in Chief Seattle's letter. He describes the Indians as willing to cooperate, but unable to understand the thoughts of the white men. In contrast, the whites are shown as uncaring and only concerned with dominating the land. This is especially shown when Chief Seattle states, "But we are savages. The white man's dreams are hidden from us." This connects back to the ideas that whites at that time; to them, the Indians were savaged, uncivilized, inferior, and not worth respecting or understanding.

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    In the Message to President Franklin Pierce written by Chief Seattle, contrasts and juxtapositions are used in paragraph one to effect the paragraph. He uses juxtaposition when he states, “The earth is not his brother, but his enemy...”( lines 3-4 ). Brother and enemy have a contrasting effect, when we think of a brother we think of someone we love. When we think about an enemy it someone we hate and that is the opposite of how we feel about our brother. Chief Seattle is saying that the white men do not love the earth as a brother, as to the Indians who love the earth. He is also saying the white men see the earth as an enemy so they have to conquer and destroy it. By him using the words “brother” and “enemy” it contrast how both the Indians and white men feel about the earth.

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  11. #5
    In 1855, Chief Seattle from the Suquamish and Duwamish tribes wrote to President Franklin Pierce addressing his concerns for the future under the rule of the white men. Instead of sending his message as a reply to a treaty offer made by Governor Isaac Stevens, he sent it to the President of the United States. Seattle wanted to discuss the matter as one leader to another, and also to warn President Pierce about the negative consequences for the actions that the “white men” were taking. He states, “What is man without beasts? If all the beasts were gone, men would die from great loneliness of spirit, for whatever happens to the beasts also happens to man...Whatever befalls the earth befalls the son of man.” Seattle hoped that by sending the letter to the President there would be change, but in a way you can tell that he expects that nothing is going to happen.

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  12. Chief Seattle starts his message by saying "we know that the white men do not understand our ways." Later on, he says "we might understand if we knew what it was that the white man dreams" (para. 5). Chief Seattle makes the Indians seem willing to work with the white men. They have not tried to talk to one another. I believe that Chief Seattle wants to talk and work something out with the white men. Chief Seattle and his Indians more than likely do not understand the ways of the white men. The effect these statements have on his message is that he shows the white men that the Indians are not as bad as they think they are.

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  13. #1
    Seattle begins by comparing the white man to the red man. He states that the white man is an enemy of the earth, and that they are thieves. This is because the white man took the Native American's land. He also states that the red men are brothers of the Earth. He's saying that the white men hate the Earth, and the red men love the Earth.

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  14. Irony is a strong rhetorical strategy that Seattle uses in the passage to open the eyes of the reader. Chief Seattle uses the word “savages” to serve his rhetorical purpose by turning the label from the Indians to the white man. When people refer to Native Americans they sometimes use the word “savage” to describe them. He is trying to show the reader the savage behavior of the white men throughout this passage. Idians are intellegent and civilizied people and Seattle is displaying this not so well known fact through his writing. He instead reveals that the people who mock his people are hypocritical because they have savage tendencies as well. He uses the example of how the Native Americans love the land, but the white man thinks of it as an enemy to show the savage behavior of the white man opposed the the peaceful nature of the red man.

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  15. http://isasharon.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/american-indian-chief-seattle-wrote-to-president-franklin-pierce-in-1854/

    I reread this version of Chief Seattle's message to the President. This internet version from Chief Seattle is questioning President Pierce's actions and the one in the book is addressing him. The book makes the Indians sound sarcastic. Chief Seattle mentions in many lines "but we are savages" and although he may be trying to prove a point it looks as if he is being immature. It resembles a four-year-old mocking and taunting his or her older sibling. The internet version sounds more emotional. He mentions the name calling by the white men in it's own paragraph instead of throwing it in after every good point Chief Seattle makes. This difference affects the reader because the emotion in the internet version comes across as a plea from the Indian. They are trying to make amends. So the reader feels sympathetic for the Indians. While the one in the book makes the Indians look pouty and as if they are just giving up and loses the respect the audience may have for the Indians

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  16. #3
    He was referring to all that will come from what the white men have done to the Red man or savages in this he then explains that they are not on the earths team they are on the enemy's team for that is why this is happening to them. Red man and White man do not like each other in this case they blame each other for what is happening and they both get upset at this point.

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  17. In 1855, Chief Seattle wrote a letter to President Franklin Pierce discussing the complications between the Indian tribes and the white men. Chief Seattle’s message was a reply to President Pierce, and not Governor Stevens because he wanted to write to a leader. Seattle also wrote the letter to caution President Pierce of the actions the white men were taking. In his letter to the president, he comments, “white men do not understand our ways” to show that “white men” do not understand why Seattle’s tribes do what they do. Chief Seattle was concerned, so he felt by sending the message to a higher authority that there would be change; but he also knew that no change would occur.

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